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#1 slow

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Posted 10 September 2017 - 08:07:19

Каталонски председник: Државна сила против нас, изађите на улице

09. СЕП 2017,

 

Карлес Пуџдемон, каталонски председник обећао је да ће наставити пут ка одржавању референдума о независности за који званични Мадрид сматра да би био илегалан и позвао на масовне демонстрације следеће недеље у знак подршке за отцепљење Каталоније од Шпаније.

 

"Читава државна сила је против нас. Суочени са правним процедурама и претњама. Регионална влада је одлучнија него икад да одржи плебисцит који је планиран за 1. октобар", рекао је Пуџдемон.

Пуџдемон се, како се наводи, као неко ко се дуго залаже за независност региона на североистоку Шпаније, нада да ће успети да мобилише присталице у демонстрацији легитимитета као одговор на претње Мадрида да ће спречити референдум на било који начин.

"У понедељак ћемо их преплавити мирно и демократски, као и увек", поручио је Пуџдемон.

Како агенције наводе, анкете показују да су Каталонци подједнако подељени по питању независности, али да преко 70 одсто њих жели да референдум буде одржан како би се то питање решило, слично као што је решено референдумом у Шкотској 2014. године.

Каталонска влада је одржала симболичан референдум 2014, када је више од 80 одсто учесника референдума гласало за отцепљење од Шпаније иако је само 2,3 од 5,4 милиона Каталонаца који су имали право гласа, учествовало на гласању.

Како је Франс прес раније пренео, шпански премијер Маријано Рахој је изјавио да је влада те државе тражила од Уставног суда да суспендује захтев лидера Каталоније за одржавање референдума о независности 1. октобра, називајући такав захтев "неприхватљивим чином непослушности".

Рахој је рекао и да ће све општине у Каталонији бити упозорене на своју "обавезу да спрече или блокирају" напоре да дође до реализације референдума, који је, како каже, неуставан.

Он је седницу каталонског парламента, који је усвајањем закона озваничио своје планове да се у тој шпанској регији организује референдум о независности, назвао "политичком перверзијом" каталонске владе, наводи АП.

"Референдум је незаконит и представља напад на институционални поредак Шпаније и Каталоније", рекао је Рахој након хитног састанка са члановима свог кабинета.

"То је нешто што влада и судови не могу дозволити", изјавио је Рахој, обећавајући да се референдум неће одржати.

Шпанско Државно тужилаштво саопштило је раније да ће подићи оптужнице против чланова каталонског парламента због изгласавања закона о одржавању референдума о независности 1. октобра, који шпанска влада сматра нелегалним.

Већина посланика каталонског парламента, у коме већину имају странке које се залажу за отцепљење од Шпаније, гласала је за закон о референдуму и за правни оквир неопходан за успостављање независне државе, јавио је Ројтерс.

Закон је усвојен већином од 72 гласа, према 11 уздржаних. Посланици који се противе отцепљењу Каталоније, напустили су седницу пре гласања, наводи АФП.

 

 


Edited by slow, 10 September 2017 - 08:08:26.


#2 Majo

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 21:03:34

Inace, Pablo Iglesias, koji je skoro u Parlamentu hteo da preuzme funkciju premijera od Rahoja putem izglasavanja nepoverenja, danas u Barseloni klice na katalanskom, 'Zivela slobodna i nezavisna Katalunja!'. Ima i ludjih od nas, jbg.



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Posted 11 September 2017 - 22:16:56

Inace, Pablo Iglesias, koji je skoro u Parlamentu hteo da preuzme funkciju premijera od Rahoja putem izglasavanja nepoverenja, danas u Barseloni klice na katalanskom, 'Zivela slobodna i nezavisna Katalunja!'. Ima i ludjih od nas, jbg.

 

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Meni se cinilo da se Ada Kolau drzala rezervisano ranije tim povodom - ono, referendum da, nezavisna Katalonija..pa.. ovaj...videcemo.



#4 vememah

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 09:53:08

Around one million Catalans rallied in Barcelona on Monday, waving red and yellow striped flags and banging drums, in a show of support for independence after Madrid moved to block a referendum on the region’s split from Spain.

 

Sept. 11 marks the ‘Diada’, Catalonia’s national day, which commemorates the fall of Barcelona to Spain in 1714 and is traditionally used by pro-independence activists to call for secession for the northeastern region with a distinct language.

 

https://uk.reuters.c...n-idUKKCN1BL0EI

 


Edited by vememah, 12 September 2017 - 09:54:45.


#5 vememah

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Posted 20 September 2017 - 18:23:33

 

Spain's Civil Guard seized "nearly 10 million" ballot papers for the suspended Catalan independence referendum on Wednesday, in a warehouse in the town of Bigues i Riells (Catalonia), the Home Office confirmed in a brief statement.

 

https://www.thespainreport.com/articles/1136-170920153926-civil-guard-seizes-10-million-ballot-papers-for-catalan-referendum


Edited by vememah, 20 September 2017 - 18:30:58.


#6 Tsai

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Posted 20 September 2017 - 21:16:12

Idioti

#7 vememah

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Posted 20 September 2017 - 21:28:14

Na zaplenjenim listićima pitanje je napisano na katalonskom, španskom i oksitanskom.

 

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Posted 20 September 2017 - 21:38:07

Ovo samo izaziva kontraefekat, vidim da su vec iz Madrida poceli da dele na izdajnike i patriote.

#9 Eraserhead

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Posted 20 September 2017 - 23:24:14

Katalonci napustili skupstinu a PP im aplaudirao koliko cujem. Odakle mi je to poznato...

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Posted 20 September 2017 - 23:27:10

Realno, budale su i jedni i drugi. Nezavisnost je prosto nerealna, a Madrid se ponasa idiotski. 



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Posted 21 September 2017 - 00:26:49

Spain's government moves to halt independence vote for Catalonia, sparking protests
Lauren Frayer
 

After years of largely ignoring Catalan separatism, Spain’s central government moved decisively Wednesday to halt preparations for an independence referendum in its Catalonia region, where memories of repression under the Franco dictatorship linger.

 

The Spanish Civil Guard, a national paramilitary force, raided more than 20 regional government offices and institutions in the Catalan capital, Barcelona, detaining at least 14 separatist officials for their roles in organizing an Oct. 1 secession vote that Spain considers unconstitutional. Those held include aides to Catalonia’s vice president.

 

Civil Guards also raided a warehouse in a rural industrial park north of Barcelona, seizing nearly 10 million ballot papers, as well as referendum posters and voter registry logs.

 

Protests erupted in the city in response, with crowds filling Las Ramblas, the main pedestrian thoroughfare that is home to one of the government offices where politicians were detained in early-morning raids.

 

“We will vote!” several thousand people chanted, blocking side streets.

 

Several hundred protesters also gathered late Wednesday in Madrid’s central Puerta del Sol square, in solidarity with Catalans.

 

“There’s a feeling of defiance, anger and incredulousness that people are seeing what they saw under Franco again,” Liz Castro, a Catalan American author and activist, said on her way to join the Barcelona street protests, which stretched into the night.

 

“There’s nothing wrong with asking people who act peacefully to vote on their future. But Spain doesn’t get it,” Castro said. “They go back to tanks and pressure and police.”

 

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Protesters favoring an independence referendum for Spain's Catalonia region demonstrate in Barcelona on Sept. 20, 2017. (Pau Barrena / AFP/Getty Images)
 

Like the neighboring Basque Country, Catalonia has its own language and culture, which were repressed under the nearly 40-year rule of Gen. Francisco Franco, who died in 1975.

 

In recent decades, it has become Spain’s most prosperous region, accounting for about 20% of the country’s economy and more than a quarter of Spanish exports. Barcelona is one of Europe’s biggest tourist hubs.

 

Many Catalans say they resent having their taxes subsidize poorer parts of Spain, especially during a punishing economic crisis from which the country has only just emerged. Catalonia is one of 17 autonomous regions, which enjoy local powers to set policy for education, healthcare and some other services, but rely on the central government for tax collection. The region has a population of about 7.5 million people.

 

“I want independence because I think we could do much better if we were a country, and could administer our own resources,” said Josep Carreras, a health researcher in Barcelona and recent convert to the independence cause.

 

Opinion polls show Catalans are roughly evenly divided on whether to break away from Spain, but a majority want the right to vote on the question.

 

Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy insists that is prohibited under the 1978 Spanish Constitution, which enshrines the country’s unity.

 

This month, the Constitutional Court suspended two Catalan regional laws that lay out a framework for the Oct. 1 referendum, as well as plans for secession if the “yes” votes win. National officials in Madrid ordered police to block polling stations, and prosecutors were preparing charges against more than 700 Catalan mayors who have agreed to allow voting in municipal buildings.

 

In response to reporters’ questions about whether the government was being heavy-handed with Wednesday’s raids, Rajoy said he believes “no democratic state in the world would accept this.”

 

Catalan separatist leaders “are breaking the law. They are acting against the Constitution. Logically, the state must react,” Rajoy said.

 

For Rajoy, Wednesday’s crackdown risked handing Catalan separatists a public relations victory, with unseemly images of paramilitary troops escorting away elected officials, as citizens plead for the right to vote, said Gabriela Bustelo, a Madrid-based political analyst who has also studied California’s separatist movement.

 

“Any country that cannot get a nationalist problem under control, that worsens its image,” she said.

 

Separatists who dominate Catalonia’s regional administration insist the Oct. 1 vote is a democratic exercise and have appealed to Europe for support. A multinational team of European observers are expected in Barcelona for the vote. But no European Union country has said it would recognize an independent Catalonia.

 

After an emergency Cabinet meeting Wednesday, Catalonia’s regional president, Carles Puigdemont, gave a televised speech decrying what he called “coordinated aggression” by the Spanish state.

 

“Spain has de facto suspended the self-government of Catalonia and has applied a de facto state of emergency,” he said. “Freedoms are being suspended and repressed.”

 

The Spanish Constitution has a provision — Article 155 — that enables the government in Madrid to revoke self-rule in any region. But that article has not been invoked.

 

Catalonia held an independence poll in 2014, and voters favored secession. But turnout was low, and Catalan officials acknowledged it was nonbinding. This time, they vow to declare independence from Spain within 48 hours, if the “yes” votes win.

 

An independent Catalonia would probably have to leave the European Union, at least temporarily, before applying for membership as a new country. It's unclear what currency it would use (Spain uses the euro).

 

Spain's economy minister this week warned of "brutal" economic collapse and a doubling of unemployment in Catalonia, were it to secede.

 

Any declaration of Catalan independence would be meaningless without international recognition, but hard-line separatists seem unwilling to back down, Bustelo said.

 

“This is an absolute crisis, maybe the biggest in our whole democratic era,” she said.

 

http://www.latimes.c...0920-story.html

 

As the Catalan president condemned Spain's "anti-democratic and totalitarian actions", another Catalan leader called for peaceful resistance to protect the buildings as the regional government met in emergency session.

"The time has come - let's resist peacefully; let's come out and defend our institutions," the president of the Catalan National Assembly, Jordi Sánchez, tweeted.

He did not have to wait long. Protesters gathered outside the economy ministry as the police operation took place, chanting "We will vote" and surrounding the Guardia Civil cars stationed outside.

The centre of Barcelona soon became a sea of Catalan flags and the city's renowned football club threw its weight behind the protests, condemning any act that threatened freedom of speech and self-determination.

The Catalan vice-president accused Spanish police of attacking the region's institutions and therefore its citizens too. "We will not allow it," he said.

In Madrid, Catalan separatist MP Gabriel Rufián told the prime minister in parliament he should take his "dirty hands" off Catalonia's institutions, Efe news agency reported.

Barcelona Mayor Ada Colau warned that if Mr Rajoy "persists with this repressive strategy, he'll find diverse, pro-Catalan voices more united than ever defending rights and freedom".

http://www.bbc.com/n...europe-41331152

Edited by vememah, 21 September 2017 - 00:33:36.


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Posted 21 September 2017 - 00:35:07

Spotovi:

 

 


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Posted 21 September 2017 - 07:00:18

Nezavisnost jos uvek nije realna. Ali ovo juce je mozda pridobilo par procenata neodlucnih. Ovo prvo je Barselona sinoc, a drugo je Djirona - lupanje u serpe u znak protesta, Bg 96/97 fazon. Pat pozicija. Najpravedniji bi bio referendum (koji trenutno sprecava slovo Ustava donesenog za vreme postfrankisticke tranzicije), ali odvajanje Katalonije bi neumitno odvuklo i Baskiju srednjerocno, i to u Madridu dobro znaju. 

 

 



#14 noskich

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Posted 21 September 2017 - 07:27:27

No pasaran a las barricadas

 

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Edited by noskich, 21 September 2017 - 07:27:51.


#15 MancMellow

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Posted 21 September 2017 - 09:50:15

Nezavisnost jos uvek nije realna. Ali ovo juce je mozda pridobilo par procenata neodlucnih. Ovo prvo je Barselona sinoc, a drugo je Djirona - lupanje u serpe u znak protesta, Bg 96/97 fazon. Pat pozicija. Najpravedniji bi bio referendum (koji trenutno sprecava slovo Ustava donesenog za vreme postfrankisticke tranzicije), ali odvajanje Katalonije bi neumitno odvuklo i Baskiju srednjerocno, i to u Madridu dobro znaju. 

 

 

 

Pa, ono, ima tu jos. Valensijanci takodje nisu isto sto i Kasteljani, pa Aragon i njegove istorijske veze sa Katalonijom...Mislim sve je to na dugom stapu, sve i da se Catalunya odvoji, ali...

 

Nemam sad vremena da pišem, ali evo u najprostijem malo istorijskog konteksta

 

https://www.wikiwand...Crown_of_Aragon

 

Pogledati samo zastavu. Znam da ti to sve znaš, nego zbog drugih. 

 

Katalonci je trebalo da izvuku pouku iz toga što Španija nije priznala Kosovo, a to sigurno nije zbog neke ogromne ljubavi prema Srbiji. Dakle, ako 1 Kosovo nemaju nameru da priznaju (a sigurno su trpeli pritiske u tom smeru), onda je jasno dokle će ići kad je teritorija same Španije u pitanju. 


Edited by MancMellow, 21 September 2017 - 09:52:23.